Do Men Need a Spanking Too?

In discussing the chastisement of wives, it often comes up that the husband, who delivers the chastisement, is badly behaved himself. Doesn’t he need a spanking too? Before long, you could hear a chorus of “yes” from the bulk of humanity, who know human behavior well enough, along with many cheers and chants to wild drumbeats for the punishment to proceed. In the context of marriage, of course, with the man as the leader, there is no one in the family who serves to discipline him. The wife and the children are under his authority and are disciplined by him. However, in a broader context which includes domains of school, church, civil justice, and others there is nothing wrong with a man being punished with corporal punishment. Its benefits are universal, and it has been practiced on adults for ages.

Some may be surprised to hear me say that, since they assume that male headship presupposes some sort of male supremacy, and that men who spank their wives must simply like to “beat” women. Yet this is far from the truth. Anyone who has read this marriage guide, or who is familiar with traditional biblical authority, will recognize that we teach that everyone is under authority, everyone is in a position to be corrected at times, with various authorities in life, and the highest one being God Almighty. The husband leads his wife meekly, and for the ultimate good. Yet the man who is head of the home is also guided by other men, and often directly under other the authority of other men. Of course then, it is legitimate that he gets punished at times.

Why a man may need a spanking is not very different from why a wife may need one. He may have committed serious wrongs, or he may have ongoing problems with his behavior. A spanking, if serious enough, would get him motivated to solve this. It may be for laziness, or lack of self-control. Many men certainly need chastisement for a foul mouth, which while not as serious on a man as on a woman, is still wrong. He may struggle with lust, which is the primary male temptation. He may also drink or eat too much, or be violent. He may be irresponsible with finances, causing trouble for the family. These are all wrongs, and are behavior which can lead to serious harm. An authority which can set guiderails for a man, maintain those guiderails, and punish him for serious infractions would be a great blessing. I know many men would be grateful, as they know they have a problem. 

Now the obvious difficulty is that few people or institutions will deliver a spanking. A man may have received one growing up from his father, but as an adult he will not. Could he get one from his school? In some regions of the country, it is still possible to spank students through high school, but even then, I don’t get the impression that spankings are commonly used, or very harsh. In university, of course, they would be found nowhere in my country. In the past a man could receive corporal punishment for committing a crime, as the state used it regularly, not just flogging, but the stocks as well. However, with society turning against this form of punishment, this has been done away with for the allegedly more humane — but actually less humane — punishment of prison time. I see nothing wrong with elders at his church, or fellow male church members, delivering punishment as well, if ordinary exhortation and teaching has not been successful. That is one way of loving him and keeping him out of trouble. However, most Christians, even if they accept some limited corporal punishment, would simply demand it stay out of the churches. Today, a man needing a spanking would have a hard time finding one. That is wrong. 

Since there are problems in finding a spanking for an adult, may a man seek out a disciplinarian, just as some women are tempted to do? I see nothing wrong with this approach if it is really the only option. In general, punishment should be dished out by the authorities in society, but if it is necessary to manufacture an authority to accomplish the goal, then that may be the only way. Unlike virtually everyone else in society, a disciplinarian could lay down the rules, and hold a man to them. He could deliver punishment that was undesirable, and a very good motivation to the man needing such correction. Male spanking can be a troublesome topic, since the presentation of male punishment in the BDSM world frequently has homosexual overtones, or homosexual behavior. This is both out-of-place and immoral. Punishment between men needs to remain manly. It should not play up any sexual element, or include any inappropriate touching. It should only include the nudity required to deliver the punishment, and no more. It is a simple a chastisement to better the man who needs it. 

Like other discipline systems, men who are correcting a fellow man are there firstly to tell him when he is truly out of bounds, and tell him what he needs to do to get his act together. They need to be there to teach him to be a better man. They should call out serious sin in his life and call him to repent. Actual punishment from another man should only come if there has already been instruction and exhortation, the problem is continual, and it is clear that punishment is needed. The main goal is always to make clear what the path is, and simply bring him back onto it. Instruction and encouragement need to come first.

Spanking men should also be discernible from spanking women in marriage. It would be inappropriate to do things which are somewhat infantilizing, such as having the man spanked over the knee, or in the diaper position. It should also in general be harsher punishment, since a man is stronger, both mentally and physically. He should show it during his punishment. Using a paddle, cane, or whip would all be more fitting than a hand spanking, and the one punishing him should use more arm strength than you’d use with a woman. The strokes may land elsewhere than the bottom, such as any part of the back which is safe to flog. The man should avoid shedding tears like a woman, since it is not manly, and it is something rather small to cry over. Men cry if a loved one dies, and such. It is weak if he cries when he is spanked. His chastisement needs to respect his dignity as a man, even if it is humbling for the sake of correcting him. He is strong and is a leader. He only bows down to one who is above him in authority, and should not be humbled much beyond this. He is not meant to learn to be soft as a woman, only to be humble and righteous. Kneeling is appropriate to show respect to the man who is correcting him, and has been practiced for centuries to show honor to the one above you. The man being disciplined naturally should show honor due, including in how he speaks to him, in his sincere desire to learn, and in keeling before him. 

A man is strong and rules over his family. He has real authority there. He also needs to show that he respects the authorities which are above him, including his boss, the state, and God. While the stronger sex, he also kneels down and rightly shows honor to the men he is under. Submission to authorities is strength, not just for the woman, who is gentler, but for the man, who is not so strong that he is independent from others. Submission to authority is a part of what makes us a society, a community, a family, a state. The loving relationships we are all to have with one another are also ordered on a hierarchy, and men know that there are ones above them. They are neither a lone individual nor the king of the earth. It suits them and serves them that they too get punished. If a man has no authority in his life who will deliver the chastisement he needs, he may look for a legitimate disciplinarian, one which is safe and non-sexual. A spanking will help him, and it does not make him less of a man. No one is independent of authority, including him. 


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15 responses to “Do Men Need a Spanking Too?”

  1. Anthony.z Avatar
    Anthony.z

    Boy, did this article hit home.

    I grew up in a very conservative Christian home. My Father was definitely the head of our home and I suspected he spanked my Mother. He confirmed that before I married my wife and told me I should do the same.

    My first semester of my 2nd year of college I completely lost all focus and started to rebel and party and drink way too much. I had started failing big time. My Father was keeping track of my grades. He demanded I return home one weekend and I was met by a Father who was not going to allow his Son to fail or go down the wrong path. He whipped me severely with a cane, I never experienced such pain in my life, he humbled me, but in doing so he taught me such a valuable lesson that I desperately needed at age 20. I went back immediately to college and turned my grades completely around. At the time I was furious as a young man that my Father would dare do that to me. But, I also realized he was right and he did it from the stance of loving me enough to do something very hard that at that moment I didn’t realize I needed desperately.

    Today, I still thank my Father for that severe lesson as it made me the man I am today.

    When I left in a huff, he had my Mother come out to my car with a cream that she told me your Father said you need to apply this regularly until you heal so that your skin does not chafe or break. Your Dad told me to tell you he loves you!

    Any man going down the wrong path could use this type of guidance from another man or from his Church Pastors or male members.

    Thanks for a great reminder that men also have earthly authorities that we must answer to.

  2. Confused Avatar
    Confused

    I think this all makes sense. I have known men who agree with all of this. Except, when I asked “well, why doesn’t it happen?” The reply is “there’s nobody really qualified to do it.” … Like biblically or something. 🤔 I’m not sure. I think it would be a good deterrent if it happened more often. But I kind of feel like the men who actually seek this kind of correction, are the ones who don’t “need” it as much as some other ones. I guess that could be said about women too. I know nobody is perfect though, and everyone probably deserves it sometimes.

    1. Sure, the difficulty is that there are not always men who are prepared to do it. It would really require some change in the churches, as well as cultural change to allow for it. We currently only have the law, which either isn’t involved because something isn’t criminal, or which reacts to a violation by destroying a family and locking someone up for years. That’s not that useful day to day. Having another set of authorities in there, who monitor lesser problems, and who can deliver a more reasonable punishment than the law, would be a great blessing. However, there is nothing from stopping individual men from seeking a disciplinarian, even if only from their church.

  3. Hey Aron,

    This is an interesting article, I wanted to ask if you’ve ever heard of men giving other men strictly disciplinary spankings, aside from the common familial relationships or history with some countries judicial systems and school systems. Is this something you’ve heard done at your church

    Also out of curiosity, what would your reaction be if another male in your life requested disciplinary guidance?

    Do you think things would be better if our culture was more partial towards authority positions being able to give spankings to those they lead, like work bosses being able to spank their male employees?

    1. Hello Gis, Thank you for your comment. I don’t hear much about men getting spanked outside of the contexts you mention. These days there are people who fashion themselves disciplinarians, and who will spank anyone, but I don’t know how appropriate that discipline would be. In principle I’m not against it. I occasionally hear stories about churches which will spank their members, male or female, but I’ve never seen it myself.

      I would not have a problem if a man asked me to spank him, but that’s not something I do. He’d have to look elsewhere. I can provide men other forms of guidance, and well as brotherly correction and rebuke. I believe spanking needs to be more widely practiced, as it is a good punishment, and superior by far to others. I could certainly see situations where a boss or a coach could use corporal punishment too. I would love to see it promoted and more widely practiced.

      1. Thanks for the reply, that makes a lot of sense.

        To what degree do you think that type of culture should be promoted?

        Assuming you’re working and currently have a boss, and the cultural norm was set for it to be standard, would you yourself be fine with getting spanked by your boss?
        Or do you think it’d be something each individual would have to opt into (but then if so, it wouldn’t be the cultural norm)?

        1. Hello Gis, Exactly how it would be managed is really debatable. However, considering that the government does not currently respect the right to use that punishment, it is something that I’d see either groups or individuals agreeing to among themselves. Over time of course, the laws will need to be changed, just as they need to change regarding marriage. Then it would be accepted as a right to use that form of discipline.

          I would not have a problem being punished that way by a boss or by the state, so long as it was justified by a serious offense. It’s a normal punishment like any other. It is far less damaging that some punishments currently in use, including termination from a job or prison time. Corporal punishment is humane and very practical.

  4. Interesting article. Can I volunteer my husband?

    Ok, that was a joke.

    Ok, but in all seriousness, I have a lot of thoughts about your propositions here. There are many domains of society which we could discuss the merits and drawbacks of corporal punishment being used; in many, many of those domains it seems like a power that was wisely curbed out of use. In my state for instance, teachers and principals in public school used to be allowed to discipline students physically and there were many instances of blatant misuse of that power, for instance, I heard of a teacher grabbing a student by the back of their hair and slamming their face into a desk, breaking their nose. And back then they got away with it. I would also say that if I sent my child(ren) to public school and found out someone had paddled my kid I’d be horrified. It seems like that’s not something I’d want strangers doing to my kid at their own discretion.

    But I don’t want to talk about all these areas of society where this might or might not be a good idea. Let’s talk about the church instead because that has unique considerations.

    One thing that immediately occurs to me is that there is no example in the New Testament of any believer physically chastening any other believer, nor is this recommended. Nor do we have any examples of Jesus physically disciplining his own disciples no matter what they said or did. He discipline always seemed to come in the way of rebuke.

    Jesus DID make a whip and go into the Temple though. So that stands out as a noteworthy example.

    Paul did mention coming to the Corinthians with a whip, but it seems like he was speaking metaphorically, as his actual discipline fell on them in the form of requiring them to expel someone they were instead giving inappropriate celebration towards.

    It seems like at the very best, it might be *unwise* to physically discipline fellow brothers in the faith. It opens one up to too many potential accusations of misuse of authority, or manipulative psychological positioning, etc. You yourself said here in the comments that a man needing discipline would have to look elsewhere than yourself, as this isn’t something you do, and you probably have come to your own conclusions that it wouldn’t be wise for you to have that sort of relationship with people.

    But if we take this essay as sort of a “Jonathan Swift” aka, “A Modest Proposal” sort of offering, which I’m sure is not exactly how you meant it, it can cause one to think — are brothers in the faith “getting involved” in each others lives in helpful constructive criticism and accountability? My impression of many men’s accountability groups is in fact that too often they unintentionally basically serve the opposite of their stated purpose, and that instead of the group serving to deter people from various forms of male sin, instead the group tends to reinforce the idea that “it’s normal if you’re a guy to be doing this type of sin, and in fact you’re a bit abnormal if you’re not struggling with this.” And the group almost incentivizes men to sin in ways that make them seem like “other men.”

    I also have met church people in far out sin who, upon being gently confronted about what they are doing, respond with something like, “I have an accountability partner so I appreciate you getting out of my business because that’s the person I’ve entrusted my growth to, not you.” Whereas I was taught to be on the ready that God could move through literally any brother or sister, or even use a nonbeliever or a donkey or literally anyone and anything, to speak to me, and I better be ready to recognize and respond to His voice with fear and trembling no matter what vessel He may use to speak to me. Or whether He uses no one at all, but just the bearing witness of His own Spirit or a scripture or both. The point being that specific “relationships of accountability” are not something to hide behind.

    But are we willing to get into each others’ business even so? I know a woman whose husband was quite out of line in a lot of ways and she kept asking various men in her church to spend time with him and help him in his walk with Christ, and time and again brothers would hang out with him but discuss nothing of importance, saying, “Nothing spiritual really came up. But we had a really good discussion about the stock market.” Or somesuch. As if they had no ability to BRING something up, or no authority or rationale to speak of Kingdom business to another brother in Christ.

    So maybe before we worry about who might be employed to spank someone, we need to somehow spark a church culture where men are walking in holiness and righteousness and can recognize when another man isn’t, and are willing to simply walk with him and address that, instead of just hanging out with the guys that will help them ascend the church social and/or leadership ladder?

    Aron in our personal correspondence you have literally slammed me with harsh rebukes at times and likewise I have thrown some at you… and neither of us is the worse for wear for the experience, even though I disagreed with your judgment of my actions and on my turn I definitely misjudged yours, although neither of us ran away from our friendship but instead talked it out to some sort of resolution, even if the resolution ended up being something along the lines of, “I said my peace, I needed to make sure I spoke what I felt responsible to say, even if I haven’t convinced you.” But there is something good about being willing to call a spade a spade as you see it and be willing to be enough of a friend to call someone on the carpet. THAT is missing from many brother to brother (or sister to sister, or brother/sister) relationships in many church cultures.

    Finally though I don’t want to totally leave accountability relationships in the dust — they can be useful if people are serious about them. I knew of some young 20’s something brothers who were both struggling with a sin and they entered into an agreement with each other that if they fell, they promised to confess it to the other person, who then had to spend a day in fasting and prayer for the guy who had sinned. It was sort of brilliant in that the punishment fell not upon the wayward person but upon his pal. In such a way they emulated the self-sacrifice of Christ for each other, and also made each other so horrified at the result of their failure that both of them quickly were delivered from their bad behavior. And probably the prayer and fasting helped too, especially as one would have to pray and meditate about deliverance for someone else’s fault which was the same as their own.

    1. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It is a complex topic. I do not find the specific objections you bring up to be very strong. There is possible misuse of spanking, but there is possible misuse of state power, and we still recognize that the state may pass laws and punish criminals. So possible misuse does not make something wrong, or even make it very dangerous when practiced correctly. Moreover, if spanking could be misused in schools, then it could be misused in marriage too, but you clearly support using it in the latter. Schools had far fewer discipline problems when there was regular discipline of this form and others in the school and the home. Youth had less criminality, violence, and immorality as well. I wouldn’t give spanking all the credit, but it deserves some credit as a form of discipline.

      The fact we don’t see Christians in the church using spanking on one another in the NT doesn’t mean that we should not use it. We do not see any number of things which we use, such as bedtimes or timeouts for children. We don’t see spanking of wives either, which is something that you support. Corporal punishment is endorsed generally throughout the Bible, so we can know it is not essentially wrong to use as a punishment. It then becomes arbitrary if we say we cannot use it in schools or in Christian accountability groups.

      If parents and schools did their job with discipline, there would be much less need of it in churches, but if they do not, fellow brethren or pastors have nothing to stop them from holding others accountable and practicing discipline once they accept it as a practice. If a church can get together for a football game, they can get together for discipline as well.

      Spanking does not stand alone as a form of correction, whether in marriage, schools, or in churches. However, we should be open to using it as a tool in bringing a brother to turn away from bad behavior. It is a motivator and deterrent. It instills on the mind how bad the behavior was. Ordinary accountability, if it happens at all, often does not do this, and holding members of the church accountable is something the brethren should do, whether spanking is used or not.

      1. hmmm.. it seems you read my post only as a list of objections to corporal punishment, but I guess what I’m saying is that even just creating a church culture where people feel they can get involved in correcting one another and guiding each other would be a much needed step in the right direction in many quarters.

        1. I do see several clear objections there, which receive some emphasis in the comment. So I believe they needed a response. I definitely support a variety of ways that churches can get involved in steering members away from sin.

  5. Wow, I don’t know how my comment will show up on your end, but after I hit submit it removed all paragraph breaks turning my writing into one awful run-on paragraph. If you can add back in some breaks, I’d be most grateful.

    1. It looks like it has the breaks.

  6. sophiesmarket Avatar
    sophiesmarket

    I do believe that men are to submit to their pastor and elders of the church. While they might not get a spanking for wrongdoing, I believe that the disapproval of a man they respect can be a powerful deterrent. I even once had to ask our pastor to tell my husband to see a doctor after a sports injury, because just me asking him to go wasn’t working 😆 he did listen to our pastor and finally saw a doctor.

    -Sophie

    1. Yes, pastors ought to carry that weight, even if they aren’t giving discipline. Men should take their words seriously. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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